Ni+H2+pressure+temperature = fusion?

[Yevgen Barsukov]

Recently there has surfaced a report about quite an extraordinary
demonstration, which might turn out to
be either a cold-blooded and sophisticated scam or a huge
breakthrough:

http://pesn.com/2011/01/19/9501747_cold-fusion-journals_warming_to_Rossi_breakthrough/

Comments?
Anybody will venture any bets how it will turn out?
:-)

Regards,
Yevgen
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[Yevgen Barsukov]

Post by Yevgen Barsukov
Recently there has surfaced a report about quite an extraordinary
demonstration, which might turn out to
be either a cold-blooded and sophisticated  scam or a huge
http://pesn.com/2011/01/19/9501747_cold-fusion-journals_warming_to_Ro...
Comments?
Anybody will venture any bets how it will turn out?
:-)

Since the patent does not describe the nature of the catalyst that are
added to the Ni,
it does not allow actual experimental confirmation, at least not at
the levels
of activity that they showed in the "black box" demonstration.

Rossy is saying that they are applying separate patent for the
catalysts, but
without it I agree with patent office - patent description should
allow a device
making by any skilled in the field individual.

At the other hand, black box demonstration does not allow to verify
that something unusual is happening - only
device made by independent group would verify it.

For example they might have filled up their cylinder with NiO2
which is an excellent oxidizing
agent (it is a cathode on NiCd and NiMH batteries), and feeding H2
into it (followed by heating)
would cause a very energetic reaction:
NiO2 + H2 --> Ni + H20

One litter of NiO2 (that is their reactor size) would be enough to
explain the amount of energy generated for 20 min and conveniently
what would be left afterward would be only nickel metal and water
vapor which would be undetectable
in their apparatus which generates steam by design.
Add some other oxides to the mix, such as CuO etc, and you get your
"heavier elements" produced
by the supposed nuclear reaction.

So it is possible to fake it by all means. The only question would be
"why do it??". That would certainly
destroy the reputation of the scientists involved, and made fools of
the once who were helping them to test.
Unfortunately people are sometimes irrational.

Regards,
Yevgen
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[Bill Penrose]

Post by Yevgen Barsukov
Recently there has surfaced a report about quite an extraordinary
demonstration, which might turn out to
be either a cold-blooded and sophisticated  scam or a huge

Not placing any bets. I remember my babbling enthusiasm over cold
fusion, that lasted a few weeks. People were running all over the
National Lab where I worked, trying to find palladium to create their
own lethal neutron shower.,

As far as I know,
H2 + NH3 + temp + press --> ammonia

Dangerous Bill

[Salmon Egg]

In article

Post by Bill Penrose

Post by Yevgen Barsukov
Recently there has surfaced a report about quite an extraordinary
demonstration, which might turn out to
be either a cold-blooded and sophisticated  scam or a huge

Not placing any bets. I remember my babbling enthusiasm over cold
fusion, that lasted a few weeks. People were running all over the
National Lab where I worked, trying to find palladium to create their
own lethal neutron shower.,
As far as I know,
H2 + NH3 + temp + press --> ammonia
Dangerous Bill

What people do not do os compare the energy to be expected from nuclear
reactions to that of chemical reactions, a few volts at best. The
energies from the kind of reactions that combine protons or deuterons to
form helium will produce energies of the order of a MeV. While it is
possible to convert fossil fuel into electrical energy to drive
cyclotrons and the like, where does the energy to reac nuclear
activation come from?

All these fusion plans come with little credibility unless they describe
a mechanism. even a far out one, describing how the nuclear activation
energy can be reached from chemical reactions.

then there is the whole thing about how the investigators have not died
from neutron irradiation.

Bill

[Yevgen Barsukov]

Post by Salmon Egg
In article

Post by Bill Penrose

Post by Yevgen Barsukov
Recently there has surfaced a report about quite an extraordinary
demonstration, which might turn out to
be either a cold-blooded and sophisticated  scam or a huge

Not placing any bets. I remember my babbling enthusiasm over cold
fusion, that lasted a few weeks. People were running all over the
National Lab where I worked, trying to find palladium to create their
own lethal neutron shower.,
As far as I know,
H2 + NH3 + temp + press --> ammonia
Dangerous Bill

What people do not do os compare the energy to be expected from nuclear
reactions to that of chemical reactions, a few volts at best. The
energies from the kind of reactions that combine protons or deuterons to
form helium will produce energies of the order of a MeV. While it is
possible to convert fossil fuel into electrical energy to drive
cyclotrons and the like, where does the energy to reac nuclear
activation come from?
All these fusion plans come with little credibility unless they describe
a mechanism. even a far out one, describing how the nuclear activation
energy can be reached from chemical reactions.
then there is the whole thing about how the investigators have not died
from neutron irradiation.
Bill
--
An old man would be better off never having been born.

Well this guys are saying openly that they don't know mechanism
(although they published a few papers with speculations).
What they are saying at this point is "it is a large effect, we are
generating 12 kW of steam which is hard to miss, so we will just
focus on the device making and let other figure out why it works".

And that would be a valid approach ONLY IF it is not a cold blooded
scam using batteries or above mentioned NiO2 reaction with H2.

Regards,
Yevgen

[Poutnik]

In article <9b5ff135-a2bd-40be-8fca-5f38045926f2
@q36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, ***@gmail.com says...

Post by Yevgen Barsukov
Well this guys are saying openly that they don't know mechanism
(although they published a few papers with speculations).
What they are saying at this point is "it is a large effect, we are
generating 12 kW of steam which is hard to miss, so we will just
focus on the device making and let other figure out why it works".
And that would be a valid approach ONLY IF it is not a cold blooded
scam using batteries or above mentioned NiO2 reaction with H2.
Regards,
Yevgen

There is still option of H2 sorption in Ni,
producing heat.

They should compare preasure/volume differences
for both fusion and sortion hypothesis,
needed to provide such amount of energy.
Also detection of proper levels
of radiation and helium is needed.

But fusion hypothesis had to bypass several
strong theoretical objections, so they do need
very good explanation and experimental confirmations.

[Yevgen Barsukov]

Post by Poutnik
In article <9b5ff135-a2bd-40be-8fca-5f38045926f2
@q36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, ***@gmail.com says...

Post by Yevgen Barsukov
Well this guys are saying openly that they don't know mechanism
(although they published a few papers with speculations).
What they are saying at this point is "it is a large effect, we are
generating 12 kW of steam which is hard to miss, so we will just
focus on the device making and let other figure out why it works".
And that would be a valid approach ONLY IF it is not a cold blooded
scam using batteries or above mentioned NiO2 reaction with H2.
Regards,
Yevgen

There is still option of H2 sorption in Ni,
producing heat.
They should compare preasure/volume differences
for both fusion and sortion hypothesis,
needed to provide such amount of energy.
Also detection of proper levels
of radiation and helium is needed.
But fusion hypothesis had to bypass several
strong theoretical objections, so they do need
very good explanation and experimental confirmations.
--
Poutnik

Different from older cold fusion reports where effects were tiny
and their presence was itself a complex science to detect, here they
have
12kW of steam produced with 400W of electrical input. So it is a huge
effect that can not be explained by any other mechanisms. It will be a
clear cut case of either huge breakthrough or premeditated scam.

Regards,
Yevgen

[Dieter Britz]

Post by Yevgen Barsukov
Recently there has surfaced a report about quite an extraordinary
demonstration, which might turn out to
be either a cold-blooded and sophisticated scam or a huge

http://pesn.com/2011/01/19/9501747_cold-fusion-journals_warming_to_Rossi_breakthrough/

Post by Yevgen Barsukov
Comments?
Anybody will venture any bets how it will turn out?
:-)

It seems significant to me that a lot of cold fusion enthusiasts are
very skeptical of, and quite annoyed about this. They want to see
more details on what is inside the apparatus.